5.02.11

Religious Discussion – I guess this is my Easter post?

I made some good points in my closing comment in this Facebook conversation, so I felt like I should post this somewhere where it won’t disappear in a few weeks from people posting mafia wars requests on my wall. To protect the innocent and/or guilty, I’ve changed the names of the commenters. For context, “A” is the recent Muslim-convert with a tattoo, referenced in the opening post, who quoted the bible to show disapproval.

 

Robert L. Lynch

Is it hypocritical for a non-christian who has a tattoo to quote Leviticus 19:28 in disapproval of a christian who recently got a tattoo of a cross? That’s like, double hypocritical. There needs to be a new word for that… Polyhypocritical.

April 28 at 12:11pm · · Like ·

D

No, it’s not hypocritical, in my opinion. I mean, it’s just like saying, “Hey, wait, I thought you dissapproved of that stuff?”

April 28 at 12:17pm · Like

D

“And see, here’s the evidence. Right?”

April 28 at 12:18pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

Hmmm… Could be. You sometimes miss out on the subtext of discussions on Facebook.

April 28 at 12:25pm · Like

D

Indeed. If only we could find some way to inflect without actual verbal communication….

April 28 at 12:27pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

Something like required hashtags or HTML brackets. That’d be a great idea. </notsuchagoodidea>

April 28 at 12:29pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

Additionally, Leviticus is hilarious. Just a few verses before 19:28, it says (among other things) “Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material” and “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard”. According to direct interpretation without any cultural context, I’m going to hell for my poly-cotton blend t-shirt, and my goatee.

April 28 at 12:45pm · Like · 1 person

D

‎…among other things.

April 28 at 1:10pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

Nah, other than that, I’m good. I’m pretty sure God wasn’t thinking about bootleg movies when he said “thou shalt not steal”.

April 28 at 1:29pm · Like

A

I did it more out of a sense of irony. And it would only be hypocritical if I didn’t feel sorry for what I had done and asked for forgiveness. I certainly can’t say for sure that my repentance is accepted because that is outside my knowledge.

April 28 at 2:11pm · Like

A

</youshouldhavejustaskedme>

April 28 at 2:14pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

On a completely unrelated note, that Easter Ham was delicious. I think I’ll make a sandwich with the leftovers tonight. That or get some of that tasty BBQ pulled pork from Rudy’s Smokehouse.

April 28 at 3:36pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

</trollface>

April 28 at 3:40pm · Like

A

I’m sorry for making you uncomfortable. I am so happy and confident in Islam that I have no fear in sharing and expressing it. That sometimes causes me to forget that not everyone is as patient or willing to hear about it and I apologize it I seemed preachy or condescending to the point you felt the need to defend yourself like that. I promise to be more mindful of it in the future when speaking with you. But please, if you want to call me out on something I said to someone else just talk to me. </apology>

Friday at 7:09am · Like

B

Leviticus was written for before Christ times and not all things would apply to Christian beliefs -Jesus expounded on the “law” -improved it; showed and shared God’s love for all; said laws were made for man, not man for the laws. Enuf sed.

Saturday at 12:36pm · Like

A

Then what about Matthew 5:17? What makes the ten commandments worth saving but the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy okay to ignore? Does that mean not all the laws of the old testament are from God? How then is one supposed to separate the Laws of God from the laws of man within the Bible? Is there something that clarifies these discrepancies? God *did show and share* his love for all by giving guidance as to how to live one’s life. But people ignored the guidance, changed it to their will. That is why Prophets were sent to clarify His word so that people might understand and repent. And would an all-powerful God be unable to forgive a repenting servant without an intercessor?

Yesterday at 9:08am · Like

Robert L. Lynch

Matthew 22:37-40, Jesus basically says ‘love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself’ summarizes all the laws and commandments, and if you follow those two guidelines you’ll be good. Additionally, Luke 6:1-10. Jesus himself broke the law, in order to help those in need.

Deuteronomy 5:22, just after the Ten Commandments: “These are the commandments the LORD proclaimed… and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.” Only the Ten Commandments were given directly by God. The rest of the law, while possibly divinely inspired, was written by man, as an extension and interpretation of what God had handed down.

The laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy were written 5000 years ago for a nomadic pre-bronze age culture. Many are obviously outdated; the no pork thing probably came from the fact that they had no refrigeration technology, and pork tends to spoil quickly. Much of the purpose for the law was to unify and separate the Jews from the so-called heathens of other cultures. That bit about the tattoos is to separate them from other religions that marked their bodies in tribute to their gods.

Jesus taught a doctrine of reciprocity; the golden rule, the good Samaritan, etc. Much of that becomes lost when people get too obsessed with the letter of the law. You can believe he was a prophet, the son of God and the messiah, or just an enlightened man with a good message; what seems clear to me is that he wasn’t trying to start or destroy any religions; he was just trying to teach people how to live. And because he pissed of the Jewish leadership in the process, he was killed for it.

I’m not a religious person. I consider the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, and any other “sacred” text to be allegory. I don’t even know if God exists. I just try to live my life by one simple rule: don’t be an asshole. Don’t harm others, help those in need when you can, don’t judge. I think whatever greater power that controls the universe (if he/she/it exists) will take that into account, and not be too concerned if I wear poly-cotton blends, and eat ham sandwiches.

Yesterday at 12:24pm · Like

Robert L. Lynch

</tl;dr>

Yesterday at 12:33pm · Like

3 Responses to “Religious Discussion – I guess this is my Easter post?”